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clarknova
07-18-2012, 08:39 AM
It's very strange to me that Figgins is still on the roster. I understand that he can back up multiple positions, but is his only value to the team that he can back up third? We have outfielders and Seager can spell Ackley at second more than adequately, so is that it? Pinch runner, perhaps? We have Kawasaki. Is there something I'm missing?

The fan base is over it. We've mutually agreed that he was a total mistake. The degree to which Jack Z is accountable seems to be the only issue. He is, of course, responsible - It's whether or not it matters that "everyone" thought it was a "good" deal at the time. I don't think that it does. I mean, that's just the way it goes. Being a GM is tough. He looked like a solid pick up, and there was no reason to believe he would regress to HALF of what he became, but at the end of the day the GM has to answer for it. You can't get credit for finding diamonds in the rough, and be immune when perceived diamonds turn out to be shit. It's part of your overall grade. The fact that if you're a GM long enough, you WILL have some bad contracts, and that you WILL draft some busts doesn't really matter. Figgins is a strike against the regime, and in my opinion playing him at all sprinkles more salt on a festering wound.

He gets a hit, and it's "Ok, well that doesn't suck, but where was that?" and, "Oh great, now they're going to play him more".

He needs to be released. Sooner than later. He needed to be released a long time ago. It was a mistake to sign him, and every day he continues to be on the 25 man roster is a mistake. Maybe they're hoping he has SOME value in the way of a "We'll eat the entire contract if you give us an A ball prospect you don't like" way at the deadline, but come August, he needs to be gone.

The front office has already taken the hit from the fans, releasing him will not make that worse. Keeping him around will.

206HoopsFan
07-18-2012, 10:07 AM
It's all about the $.

clarknova
07-18-2012, 10:09 AM
It's all about the $.

It's a sunk cost either way, and they know it. Sometimes you have to cut them loose.

206HoopsFan
07-18-2012, 06:09 PM
It's a sunk cost either way, and they know it. Sometimes you have to cut them loose.

Oh I agree with you that's just why he's still here.

worldwideed
07-18-2012, 09:55 PM
He's just a mistake that we have to live with that's all. The team is really no better or worse if they release him, he doesn't play.

clarknova
07-19-2012, 06:56 AM
The team is really no better or worse if they release him, he doesn't play.

He's taking up a spot on the 25 man roster and has no value. I would suggest that that roster spot could be better used, just my opinion.


Oh I agree with you that's just why he's still here.

I get you, I was more speaking to the front office. Your point is correct in that cheaper players at his contribution level are cut loose unceremoniously much faster and his contract is the reason they've kept him around for so long, but if you're not going to play him (talking to the FO again), you're not building trade value, you're not helping the team win and you're taking up a roster spot.

I guess my point is, the only conundrum with releasing him is - who spells Seager at 3rd? They need to figure it out and cut him loose.

206HoopsFan
07-19-2012, 07:32 PM
He's taking up a spot on the 25 man roster and has no value. I would suggest that that roster spot could be better used, just my opinion.



I get you, I was more speaking to the front office. Your point is correct in that cheaper players at his contribution level are cut loose unceremoniously much faster and his contract is the reason they've kept him around for so long, but if you're not going to play him (talking to the FO again), you're not building trade value, you're not helping the team win and you're taking up a roster spot.

I guess my point is, the only conundrum with releasing him is - who spells Seager at 3rd? They need to figure it out and cut him loose.


Yeah, I'm sure that plays into the equation. While releasing him is inevitable it's not like he's a clubhouse cancer or anything so it doesn't really bother me that much.

clarknova
07-19-2012, 09:33 PM
He's a clubhouse donkey and he bugs the shit out of me. Be GONE donkey!

worldwideed
07-20-2012, 11:53 AM
He's taking up a spot on the 25 man roster and has no value. I would suggest that that roster spot could be better used, just my opinion.


We TOTALLY agree, that roster spot could be better used, preferably by an impact bat. Sadly we don't have any of those, that's all I'm getting at. The team (2012 Mariners) is no better or worse with him on the roster because we don't have anyone decent to replace him.

clarknova
07-20-2012, 09:46 PM
We TOTALLY agree, that roster spot could be better used, preferably by an impact bat. Sadly we don't have any of those, that's all I'm getting at. The team (2012 Mariners) is no better or worse with him on the roster because we don't have anyone decent to replace him.

I absolutely understand that perspective. I hope for a trade for a usable major league hitter this month, and then a quick release of the donkey. Set the donkey free. It's true that we're not going anywhere this year without him anyway, but I don't think that's necessarily a good enough reason to have him on the roster. Just my opinion. Plus, I'm trying to get some convos going while Igoe works on his ECU site. :)