On to "Chuck and Howie"!
I'm truly interested in this, and getting input from others.
So, as I stated in a different thread, this is what I know of Howard Lincoln and Chuck Armstrong's verifiable offenses:
1. They hired Bill Bavasi
2. They took too long to fire Bill Bavasi
3. Howard Lincoln wrote a scathing, paranoid, and childish email lashing out at the media and taking no responsibility for any team or organizational failures.
That's it. And before last week, all I had was the first two. I want to know what it is that makes everyone hate these two so much beyond the team totally sucking. The following are the rumors that I've heard about them and their "meddling":
1. One of them/both of them vetoed a trade that would have sent Jarrod Washburn to Minnesota in 2008.
2. It was repeated that one of them/both of them had stated that Griffey would not be a Mariner (after the re-signing) when he decided he didn't want to be and not before.
2-a. It was speculated that they made a huge push to sign Griffey, overriding their GM, and then re-signing him at the beginning of 2010. It has been speculated that Griffey's tenure with the M's was out of Jack Zduriencik's hands.
3. They fired Carmen Fusco to punish Jack for mishandling the Josh Lueke situation.
That is the extent of all that I know, or have heard, besides posters on blogs and forums pointing the finger with no evidence. I am not saying they aren't meddling idiots. I'm simply asking, if they are- show me more. Is that it? I want to know what everyone else knows. As far as the managers getting fired- that's the prerogative of the GM. Unless you have any data to support that Chuck Armstrong or Howard Lincoln ordered the GMs to fire these managers, that is pure speculation and can't be added to my list.
Basically, due to the letter itself I have lost total faith in upper management. It was scary immature.
I'm trying to embolden my sense of wanting them gone by reaching out to people I hear constantly ripping on them, this forum included, and have received surprisingly little response and zero new information.
So, what's up y'all? Is there any reason I should hate these guys besides what I've outlined above?